Drake vs. Meek Mill & Ciara vs. Future (RRR #8)

Cam: Yo, yo, yo... what up yo?

Reem Raw: Ayo... we back with another Reem Raw muthafuckin radio! It gets. The people. Goin! You know how we do man. I'm bout to Funk Flex niggas today. I'ma tell you this from the rip cuz you might wanna shut it the fuck off. This one is for me. This is Meek vs. Drake. But we gonna delve into a whole buncha different little intricacies of this whole situation and shit, ya dig? So wsup with ya'll? What's up Cameraman? What's good wichu?

Cam: Good man, this shit got the damn streets in a frenzy out here.

Reem Raw: "Got the headphones on fire this time around Kiss." This shit is really um... nigga Meek said Revenge of the fuckin Nerds, shit is crazy! Let's break it down real quick... Drake diss, the first one Charged Up... It was a love tap. Meek said "you didn't write your own raps" on Twitter. He didn't come out in a song and say it. So you responded with Charged Up. It was meh. The shit was a love tap, it was light. You sound very relaxed to be "charged up." What you think Cameraman?

Cam: Yeah, you know he only had 2-3 bars in the shit. It wasn't nothin serious. It was just to let Meek know "I'm here, nigga. I'ma respond. This is gonna be a fight." It's a intro. It's a intro song, that's all it was. But the important thing about Charged Up is he never disputed the allegation.

Reem Raw: Right, he never disputed the allegations. And for you to be answering allegations of that nature with a diss song that soft, it was kinda like you didn't even believe it. Like you couldn't expect us to believe it. So it was exciting because that was your first direct/indirect diss. That was the real shock to me. It was actually kinda straight forward. Drake is a passive aggressive nigga that'll say something on another nigga's track about another nigga. He gonna tell your man's man about something he wants you to know. He's one of them type of niggas. So I was more surprised that it was kinda direct, not really at the bars. So then the world was kinda iffy with it, so this brings us to Back to Back. Which I fucked with. This is more your vein. It's a party song. It's a club song. They can shake to it. They can bounce to it. Not full of bars, like people be trying to amp it. It was a hahaha, hehehe track. "Nigga I'm Drake and you're Meek" type jab. I don't know why people was expecting Takeover or Ether from this shit. It wasn't that. So, what you think about Back to Back?

Cam: It was definitely more lyrical. And Drake has a master marketing team behind him. Because they saw that "Well, this has multiple uses, we can leverage this. I'm not just gonna drop a diss track and leave it at that." That shit got 23 million listens on Soundcloud. "I'ma make a diss song, that also is gonna be a single, that also is gonna get played in the club, that also has a simplistic enough hook that any idiot can repeat it." So now you got NFL, baseball, basketball players singing this shit in the locker room. It was just masterful in terms of the strategy. Lyrically, it wasn't nothing heavy. Wasn't nothing close to the Golden Era beefs we know of. But as far as positioning, it really put Drake where he wanted to be in terms of getting the people on his side.

Reem Raw: Yeah, and Drake's a entertainer. This is what he's known for. This is the club shit in the type vein that he's good at. So that was cool. Then Meek comes back with the "I Wanna Know" and what we expected from Meek is not what he gave us. People wanna put Meek down, but see I'm a artist so I can kinda see the way he was coming at Drake. Which isn't the way that we all wanted him to. We wanted that yell on the track, spazz on you, Philly, nappy braids flow Meek. I understand that, that's what we wanted. Meek chose the "I'm gonna spit facts about you. I'm gonna tell you about the chain that you rocked in wherever you was at to get your respect from niggas. I'ma tell you that the nigga pissed on you in the mothafuckin movie theater. I'm gonna drop a reference track that none of us ever heard." He dropped the "Running Through the 6 with My Woes" that's what killed it for me dog. That was one of my favorite songs on Drake's last shit. But overall, Meek didn't come how we wanted him to come. He came more fact oriented. But, you have to think about where was the origins of this shit? The origin of his tweet was fact-oriented. It was "nigga you didn't write the verse that you gave to me on my track." That's a fact, pretty much. So he came with the fact shit. For some reason, he didn't wanna play with the bars like we know he can. And he should've cuz it's a diss. And he's from that vein. They both the same age. They both 28. They from that vein. They ain't from this 2000-era shit. They could've both came harder, but we expect Meek cuz Meek is really from that cloth. So I get it, people were disappointed. Cool. But this is what fucks me up. When ya'll people talk about ghost writing or getting help and all of this shit doesn't matter. So shout out to ya'll bitch ass niggas in the Hip Hop Debaters group. It's Reem Raw, Kharim Thompson, however the fuck you wanna say it. I know you seen me going the fuck off this whole week. I'm trolling the trolls, nigga. Cuz if you know me, then you know that if it's nothing else in this world I'm passionate about, it's about music. I'm a artist. I can respect. I know the guts it takes. The blood, sweat, and tears and the long hours in the studio and the falling asleep thinking about raps nigga. Rap has took me places where school couldn't or school didn't. This was me, this was my career path. I've never been big, never blew up up, none of that shit. But even my little marginal career path with rap, it's took me places that alot of my friends have never been. Alot of my peers have never been. Alot people who stuck in one spot has never been. So I'm passionate about this shit and I'm from that era. So miss me with the "getting help don't matter." Miss me with all that fuck shit. Because if that's the case, and I know ya'll seen me say this plenty of times this week "let's just all build a Drake. Let's all get the rappers. Let's all pay a nigga $5k or however much he paid Quentin. Let's pick a lightskin niggas from Hip Hop Debaters with a nice little mustache, whatever the fuck you wanna call it. A nice little voice. Let's all write for him, and let's all get paid then!" But that's not Hip Hop. And when you think about it, how could you be mad at Meek? If I pay $40,000 for a Drake feature but Quentin Miller wrote it, why wouldn't I just pay Quentin Miller $5,000 or maybe even ten? So I'm basically paying for Drake's name and not his bars. Get the fuck outta here. You would be mad too. Any nigga would be upset with that shit too. And that was the basis of it. You could look at it from both sides "Meek should've had something loaded in the chamber if he was gonna come at him like that." True, he should've. I could respect that too. And maybe he slept on Drake a little bit. Maybe he didn't think Drake was gonna... but with those type of allegations, you gotta expect that even a quiet soft nigga like Drake gonna say something. What you think, Cameraman?

Cam: Well, I think definitely you never start a war unprepared. It's foolish. I don't know if Meek was just in his feelings or like you said he slept on Drake. But if you sleeping, you wrong period. And just the strategic fuck up Meek did man. You throw the shot. He threw two back at you, and you still ain't respond in like what? It's been a week. So, I can't agree with how Meek approached it, but Meek ain't lie. So, in that sense he's half right and he's half wrong because who wins at the end of this? That's the question. To me, if I'ma make a move, I make moves for me to win. I don't make moves for me you to lose. I mean Meek obviously, he's getting another level of visibility out of this but he's getting the wrong type of attention. This shit is not necessarily healthy for his career. He's losing support. Drake's winning the PR war. And I don't man, time is gonna tell what this is gonna do to Meek. But from what I can see, people are scared to say anything about Drake in the industry.

Reem Raw: Yeah, shout out to you bitch ass industry niggas too that know better. Ya'll niggas know better. The politically correct shit goes out the window when you giving niggas passes. And my peers, people I grew up with, people in my age bracket "Yo Reem son, we ain't even consider Drake a lyricist anyway. He's just a entertainer. He's just this, he's just that. It ain't that serious." Nigga it is that serious! Because even if we don't consider Drake a lyricist, he's still a artist with influence who influences other artists. This is why rap is ass cheeks right now! So when he does it, these little niggas who's already ass or ones that aspire to be good, they gonna be like "oh well, fuck it if Drake could do it, let's all get it in. Let's all hire writers and shit." He sets the precedent to a certain crowd. He has influence over a certain crowd. Whether you look at him as a lyricist or not. What about your pride as a artist? As a creator? And I'm not saying niggas wrote Drake shit his whole career. "He was a multi-platinum artist. He had Grammy's before this, way before Quentin Miller was around." So you don't think it's a possibility that it was another Quentin Miller before this? Let's keep it the fuck funky. It's probably always been somebody there. It wasn't necessarily Quentin Miller, we know that. Don't try to play the fucking deflect games. Cuz ya'll niggas in this Hip Hop Debaters is funny as hell. I find myself arguing with niggas born in '98 and shit. It be funny as hell, the level of... like I said, niggas should have to take a fuckin test to be in these groups man. It should be a entry exam to debate because ya'll niggas... I know me. If I don't know something, I'm gonna inquire about it, but I'm not really gonna debate you on it. I don't wanna look stupid. Who wants to look stupid? If you don't know something it's ok to ask. It's ok to not know. But when you start saying dumb shit and niggas looking at you like where the fuck did you come from? Like you was just born in what 2005? Nigga said... I would say your name but you too young muthafucka. I might get a fuckin harming a minor charge for dissing your bitch ass. Cyber bullying. Soon as you go hang yourself they gonna go back to my goddamn comment and charge me. But nah, in all seriousness tho. If you a artist tho. You know that your artistry is everything. We didn't start rapping so we could make a million dollars. We rapped cuz we was nice. You drew and made artwork cuz you was nice. You took photos in rare different angles cuz you was nice. You painted with your paintbrush and shit cuz you was nice. You try to aspire to make the best art you could, not the money. It's difference between business and this art shit. The art is gonna be here way past this business. Dog, record labels are dying. Rap is still gonna be here. It's just... let's not start paying for shit, cuz then where does it stop? And it's always been ghostwriters, but the people who getting ghostwrote for, the ones we know about, weren't considered the nicest niggas. They weren't crowned as the kings of this shit. Don't tell me Eazy-E. Don't bring Diddy name up. Don't bring Dr. Dre name up. These is the niggas that ya'll say to try to deflect a nigga. You didn't say Big. You didn't say Nas. You didn't say Jay. You didn't say Pac. You didn't say even lesser niggas than that. You didn't say 'Mega. You didn't say the Grafhs. You didn't say the niggas that are known for spittin. So cut it the fuck out. How you feel Cameraman?

Cam: Man, I just feel like you can't be the best if you need a supplement. You need help, you need a boost. It's like gettin caught taking steroids or some shit. Your record gotta be taken. You can't get credit for that race. You Lance Armstrong in these streets. You gotta give the title back, you gotta give the belt back, the tropy, the crown, whatever you call it. As far as business, well business is gonna do what business does to maximize profit. But as far as art is concerned, you can't sign your name on some shit you ain't create dog.

Reem Raw: Real shit. When did we start giving people passes, Hip Hop? When do we give people passes who claim they're the king? Dog, you just took a step back from Kendrick. You just took a step back from Cole. Three, four tracks worth of step backs. That's just the ones we know. And then look at all the shit that's coming out about Drake. Look at all the things we're finding out. We're finding out about the Kia Shines who helped you write Best I Ever Had. We're finding out that "I Got My Eyes On You..." I didn't even know that that was somebody else whole song. That whole song is somebody else's that you redid. It's cool, it's a pop song, whatever. But we wouldn't have really known these things unless Meek said something. Let's keep it in perspective guys. So everybody wanna say "yeah, but Drake bodied Meek." Yeah even if Meek lost, cool cool cool. But what did Meek expose in him losing? Cuz let's keep it for real. Nobody ever put Meek on Drake's level. He's just a North Philly nigga that can spit. That can actually make better songs than the rest of Philadelphia right now. Period. So, his little $5 million he's worth, whatever. It's a win for him. Regardless. He didn't come in this game with the expectations Drake did. Look who he's signed to. Rick Ross is fake as shit. He just got on. He did his thing. His fans don't put him up there with the likes of Drizzy. Fraudrey Graham. They don't put him up there with him. So what's the big deal then? And I compared it to this too. Another analogy. If I challenged Floyd Mayweather. And I'm decent with the hands. But that's still Floyd Mayweather. And he beat the shit outta me. Fucked me up in the middle of the ring. Back to Back. Back to back rounds, fucked me up. But I exposed the fact that he takes steroids. I exposed the fact that he had a metal fuckin plate in his gloves. What's gonna be more memorable in time? That he beat my ass or he took fuckin steroids? Or he had a metal plate in his gloves in his last four fights? Let's be for real. Ya'll hold him to a higher esteem than me anyway. I wasn't supposed to win. Maybe I was supposed to win cuz Meek's, you know, the street dude but you can't come at Drake like you would come at a Cassidy. So, in any regard, he's a bigger artist. And miss me with this "oh but, such and such said he wrote for Meek. Then it would be reference tracks everywhere. Ya'll faggot ass OVO dickriding stans woulda found it. Niggas woulda paid for it. One of Drake's Jew friends woulda paid for the shit. Just to counteract whatever Meek and them found. It woulda been out, trust me. So, once ya'll find that, I'll go in on Meek too. Other than that, it's bullshit. It's reaching. It's once you get caught stealing at the store, your man say "oh but he was stealing the shit too!" Nobody ever heard of that shit until you got caught. Now niggas is pointing fingers. It's just like that. Wasn't nobody saying nothing about Meek getting wrote for until he exposed your man... "Drizzy Drake... check me out... comin live from the muthafuckin North Side..." Yo, that's still my nigga, don't get it fucked up. His songs are good, dog. But he can never be a legend to me. He's past the guys that's forefronting trying to bring the lyrics back to Hip Hop. That's why I fucked with Drake, cuz he was bringing the wordplay back. Yeah he's pop. Yeah he can do the crossover shits. But that's cool, that's for that crowd. I fucked with him for the 5AM in Toronto's, the Don't Fuck With Me's, the fuckin "I'm Goin In, I'm Goin In...", which I found out somebody else wrote allegedly cuz it wasn't a "reference track." But, whatever I did my homework on that. But that's the thing about it ya'll. When you're a artist. When you respect your fuckin craft. When you take pride in what you do, it bothers you, it annoys you when people in a certain are cheating. It's essentially cheating. "Oh he got the credit for it." So fuckin what! "He's not a ghostwriter because he got the credit for it." Where's Big's credit? Where's Pac's credit? Where's Nas's credit for doing it themselves? That's the basis of this whole shit.

Cam: The way I see it is like this man. You can't ever really know what to give Aubrey Graham props for. Because you don't know where a ghostwriter was lurking in the shadows and at what point. So, when you say you're a Drake fan you mean you're a fan of the music he released. But when I say I'm a fan of somebody, I'm a fan of the music they created. And there's a big difference. I can't look at Drake as a creator no more. Every bar that I hear that I like from him, now will be suspect. Every punchline, I'm thinking Quentin Miller. So now I can't totally embrace him. He's a marketing creation. He's a music label's dream. He's a android. He's not real. He's not organic. He's put together piece by piece. He's a Voltron. The crazy thing about Drake is, he came in on the brand of being "Mr. Honesty." And Mr. I'm Real I'm True I'm Sensitive I'm Vulnerable... and what's crazy is, how can you have a ghostwriter writing all those things for you? You can't be honest saying another man's words? I mean, your word is your bond. If your word is your bond, what's really your word? Who is Drake? That's the scary shit about it. Who is Drake? Ya'll niggas don't know who he really is. Which one of those lines he said he really meant or he really wrote?

Reem Raw: And where does it stop? Where does it end? If it's cool for him, a nigga who's claiming king. Not a Dr. Dre or Eazy-E. A nigga who's claiming to be at the forefront of this generation... if you a entertainer, then you're a entertainer, that's cool. That's all fine and dandy. But don't claim this emcee shit. Emcee's take this shit serious. The blood, sweat, and tears we put into our pen. Racking our brain. Refining ourselves. Reinventing ourselves. And I don't give a fuck what nobody sold. The accolades means nothing. The accolades comes with the shit. The penmanship is the basis of everything. It's the basis of it all.

Cam: I would rather hear a Quentin Miller song than hear a by Drake ghostwritten by Quentin Miller song. I wanna respect the artist because music and art supposed to be creative. I wanna get straight to the creator. I wanna get to the source. To me, I can't give him no credit, I can't put him at the top of any list. He's a successful figure, he's rich. He got his money. Obviously that must be what he came here to do. He didn't come here to create nothing new or original because ain't shit original about him. Even his style, alot of people credit that to Kanye. Being a sensitive introspective, you know. So now, if your style is not yours. You're from Canada, you came in trying to sound like you was from Houston. If your style ain't yours and your words ain't yours... sheeeit... I'm starting to suspect your mothafuckin vocals. Do you even sing your own shit? I'm wondering. Who the hell are you dog? Now nigga I'm looking at you like you the mothafuckin Feds. How much deception?

Reem Raw: How many reference tracks do it take to get to the real you? And ghostwriters, some of em don't want the limelight. Some of em, they do better with other artists doing they shit than themselves. Like take The-Dream. I love The-Dream albums but he's probably not that super big for his own work. But guaranteed nigga, you love Rihanna. You know who's behind that. Lot of Beyonce songs, you know who's that? Countless other muthafuckas, Dream is behind that shit! Whether you knew that shit or not. So, the ghostwriter is always gonna be a part of the game. The helper with your music is always gonna be a part of the game. But this is what separates Rap from any other genre. It's because we spit if from the gut, we do it from the muscle. This is where you get your fans from. This is what validates you. This is what gives you the strength to keep going. Let me use myself for example. When I first wrote my first rap, I thought the shit was ass. My first rap name was K Lover by the way. That's a exclusive for ya'll. I thought it was ass, but I spit that shit before homeroom or some shit in the hallway. Everybody was on it. So that gives you the motivation to go do another one. "Man I can do better than this one. This one's cool but I can do better." So you start testing yourself. Challenging yourself. Shout out to my boy Gita. Free my big dog G, my big bro. He said, "Reem if you don't diversify yourself... Yeah you got the hardest bars, yeah your shit is hard, you hittin. But if you don't diversify yourself, you gonna be stuck in that Prodigy, Styles P lane." He told me that shit. And for a minute, that's all I cared about was being in that... I wanna have the bars like P. I wanna spit like Styles. I wanna spit like Jada. And it's nothing wrong with that cuz that's who I grew up to. But I seen what he was saying, especially when I start making songs with niggas like Philly Swain and niggas like Hawk who could really put they song game down. Now your raps gotta be multi-dimensional. Shout out to my nigga Phil and shit. Phil lets his fuckin personality shine through his shit. It ain't all about being all serious and technical. It's about letting your personality shine. So once Git' told me that, it was on. I challenged myself like "Man it ain't nothing I can't do, nigga." That was the pride from all of the years it took me to get my confidence up like "I can do anything. Who? What? What nigga? Throw that beat on. I'll ride that joint." So that's when I started swerving. Getting on everything. Puttin my shit to it. And that's what makes you a complete artist. So it's the pride. Any nigga who takes pride in whatever they do can't give niggas a pass who cheat. I don't give a fuck what it is. If you're a photographer. If you're a painter. If you wash windows by hand. If you create hand made art instead of something that's being done in a factory that they put on fuckin a assembly line. That shit to you ain't authentic. When you make the material. When you mold that shit yourself and you put your stamp of approval on it and it's not the Pepsi/Coke machine conglomerate. Nah man, it's different. And people who can't create usually don't respect it cuz you're too fuckin lame or you're not good enough or you're too brain-dead to even create anything. So I don't expect you people to really appreciate this shit cuz alot of ya'll can't do shit anyway. Some of ya'll niggas are made to be just workers cuz you're not fuckin blessed or you "just ain't got enough mind capacity." So, I give some of ya'll niggas a pass. Some of ya'll I don't. Some of ya'll are fuckin idiots, shouldn't even be in the group. I'm talkin greasy cuz this is what I do when it comes to this music shit. And you can get at me anytime, I'm willing to debate anything about Hip Hop because this is me. This is my life. Feel me?

Cam: Yeah. And like you said... I blame it on a like of experience, and exposure and maturity. Some people don't get the difference between something that's organic and something that's manufactured. And that's why McDonald's got billions of customers. You mothafuckas will eat a piece of meat that ain't even come from a animal. Some shit that was created in a lab outta plastic. And wanna diss me for liking steak and filet mignon and shit like that.

Reem Raw: You'd rather a fuckin mystery meat burger from McDonald's and shit.

Cam: So, I can't be mad at ya'll, cuz ya'll are young in your minds. When I say Biggie's the best, ya'll wanna tell me Drake's the best or some crazy shit like that. But, "I don't blame you young blood, I blame your old head..."

Reem Raw: "For not giving you proper guidance..."

Cam: "That's why ya'll all knuckle heads." As Emillio Sparks said, famously. So yall grow up and learn to appreciate the finer things in life. Arts and crafts, mothafucka. Crafts means personally made by a master. Not no damn team of... "I got this section of his image and that part of his raps and we're gonna come together and mix it all up into a package and make it look like one guy did it all. And make this megastar, the Michael Jackson of Rap." Let's be for real. You can enjoy the man's music. But don't call ever him the best because he's not the best at anything. He didn't do anything better than anybody before him, except maybe hire better writers.

Reem Raw: On a lighter note though, the funniest shit to come out of this whole diss is the mothafuckin memes dog. These Meek memes, these "Who pissed on Drake?" memes, the shit be having me the fuck on the floor yo. On the floor yo. Shout out to whoever comes up with these shits, ya'll niggas is the real mothafuckin MVPs. And even the Drake fans who say Meek lost, cool. Argue your points. Long as you can back your points up with some things that make sense, I fuck with ya'll. Like shout out to my nigga Jeff Entenny. I don't know if I fucked up your last name but Jeff you know what's up. Andrew Wardroke, you're a fuckin troll. Get the fuck outta here, you be on some sucka shit. Shout out to my nigga Andy Archer, you already know that's my fuckin bro, that's family. Rest of ya'll niggas, rest of ya'll be cold fuckin suckas yo. Especially about this Hip Hop shit. Charles DJ Ed Jess, you cool. I enjoy debating with you and shit sometimes. Sometimes you be off the fuckin hook. GX Cheebi... I don't even know what to say about you dog. You's a cold sucka too. Real shit, ya'll niggas is cold suckas. And I'm naming niggas. Fuck it, cuz I can. But nah, shout out to everybody that fucks with me on this podcast shit, man this shit is really fun. Shout out Scoop too, she gave me a good idea too. I gotta talk about this whole... What you think about this Ciara and Future with the whole... We gonna go back to back for ya'll cuz it's been a live week and shit's been poppin off, we got alot to talk about so we gonna go back to back. We got this. You feel me?

Cam: I mean me? Listen man, as far as Russell Wilson and Ciara, if you love that girl it's cheaper to keep her. If she worth it, you don't wanna see your baby mama rollin around with a nigga way richer than you. He getting $90 million off this contract. He really fuckin up some commas, my nigga. You ain't fuckin up commas like Russell Wilson.

Reem Raw: You still trying to get Dirty Sprite 2 money, dog. But nah, in all seriousness tho man like I said in one of my groups, my relationship group, "Who would you rather have that little nigga around, Russell Wilson or mothafuckin 50 Cent nigga?" Cuz she was fuckin with 50 first. But for real tho, it comes from the eye of the beholder. If you're really in your kids life, you gotta expect Ciara to have a life. This is not your only kid either, so this is just the kid in the spotlight cuz this baby mama is the famous one. What's up with all the other one's that's probably still in Atlanta. Living in wherever the fuck they at, fuckin some dirty nigga that can't dream about makin Russell Wilson...

Cam: He just embarrassed cuz it's public.

Reem Raw: Yeah, it's public. He's a little embarrassed. But all these silly niggas jumpin in this shit, like as long as he ain't smacking your son around or doing no sucker shit like that, he's helping Ciara. I just don't see the problem. And if that's the case, if it is a big enough problem, whether it's Future or any of ya'll niggas who disagree... or ya'll just Future fans or whatever the case may be, then file for full custody my nigga. Go to court, battle it out. Are you really capable of taking your son full-time if you got a full-time job? Be a full-time dad and drink lean and drop Dirty Sprite 3's and shit? Can you really do it?

Cam: I think as a man, in the Black community we really fail to promote and respect and emphasize responsibility like we should. And the question is, what's Future's responsibility level compared to Russell Wilson's responsibility level. I don't know neither one of them dudes, but Russell Wilson is a professional athlete. He's secure, he's stable. Allegedly, Future dog, she caught you cheating. You can't be mad at that woman for pickin the stable option. Let her be. If you cheatin on her, you know the game. A woman got every right to go. You can't expect her to stick around. And don't get mad cuz she found a better dude for her. Keep it pushin.

Reem Raw: And then what they saying is, they not even sleeping together. So at least they practicing some type of discipline. It's not like they in public taking pictures hugged up, cheesing for the cameras. These is all off-guard pictures. They just living they life. They're not trying to make the shit a spectacle like "Line all the paparazzi up, and get one photo." Nah, these photos is them interactin on they day to day. They not even paying attention. They not doing this shit for the publicity. At least from what I know, if ya'll know something else ya'll can get at me and let me know or whatever the case may be. I don't see the big deal in this shit.

Cam: I mean, no one's like saying "Joke's on Future." This is part of life man. Everybody got this kinda situation, exes...

Reem Raw: I know chicks who do the spiteful shit, but I don't see Ciara trying to do no spiteful shit with the child towards you. Honestly, I just think it's a lot of his male fans that's like "What the fuck is going on?" Like she not supposed to have a life. You stupid man. You dumb.

Cam: These issues, a lot of times it's not even debatable. It's just lack of maturity, exposure, and experience. And a young dumb mind is gonna have a problem with the wrong things and be ok with the wrong things. So, it's always gonna be a debate because they ain't got no sense. But I think she's in good hands, let her be. Future go his way, let her go her way. As long as he got the right to see his kids. Like he should be able to. But it ain't nothing dishonorable or disrespectful there. Let them live.

Reem Raw: Yeah, let em live. It is what it is, you know. Ya'll got Ciara trending. I'm looking at my Twitter and shit. Niggas like "Yo Reem, check this shit out." I'm like "What the fuck? Did she slip on stage? Did Russell slap the shit outta her?" I'm getting all these crazy texts and niggas blowing me up. It's about this bullshit... I think it's. Ehhh. I don't know. Ya'll can let me know tho. Let me know how ya'll feel.

Cam: It's nothing. It's nothing too it. It's nothing to be mad about. That's regular life. Odds are, everybody gonna have a ex. Everybody gonna have a baby mama or a baby father.

Reem Raw: Shout out to the spiteful exes and shit. Especially the ones with kids. Whether you a man or a female. The level of pettiness that ya'll mothafuckas be showing especially when a kid is involved. Ya'll gonna pay for that shit. Karma gonna come back around. It's gonna come the fuck back around. That petty shit. Playing with people kids and all that other shit. It's too much of us not doing the right thing. So if you're purposely trying to push the wrong agenda. Trying to push the wrong type of message. Just to get back and you aggy. Be the bigger person. I know sometimes you gotta be petty. I know how it gets. Don't get it fucked up. But sometimes you gotta be the grown mothafucka. You gotta be the person that dead that shit, if only for the strength of your seed. "Ahh, I hate this bitch. Ahh, I hate this nigga!" I'm saying that's fine and dandy, you can. But at the end of the day, ya'll laid down and made somebody, a girl or a boy who didn't ask to be here. At the end of the fuckin day. Nobody asked to be here, dog. So, take that shit into consideration. And it is what it is. Hit me up, ReemRaw609@gmail.com. This podcast was for me. Usually it's for ya'll, I take ya'll advice and I put ya'll into it. But this whole Drake and Meek thing, and ghostwriting and all that shit... This one was for me. Fuck it.

Why Do Men (and Women) Cheat? (RRR #9)

Reem Raw: Yo, yo, yo, yo... and we back at it. What's good peoples? Reem Raw Radio... Episode whatever-the-fuck-it-is... ya feel me? It gets the people goin! Me and Cameraman in this bitch? You know? We grindin man. Back with another one. At the people's demand. And you already know. Cameraman, what's good with you?

Cam: Chillin, I'm good man.

Reem Raw: Yeah man. So, where we at with it this week? I wanna give a shout out to Pretty P, this was her suggestion. The age old question "Why do men cheat?" So, shout out to Pretty P, she came up with this one. I had a couple other inbox questions. And they really revolved around the same thing so we just gonna throw it out there real quick. Give you my take on it. Let me talk my shit about it. So, disclaimer: This is my disclaimer. Don't go around in your relationship or whatever the fuck you doing and say "Oh, Reem said do this or Reem said do that." I'm not muhfuckin Dr. Phil and I'm not muhfuckin Steve Harvey! I'm just a real person, a real dude, been through it all and made the same mistakes everybody else did, so this is my muhfuckin umm, this my take. So how do you feel about the whole "why do men cheat thing" Cameraman?

Cam: Man I don't know. I mean, I think it's really a psychological side of it and then there's a physical side of it. And you know, what's a person's motivation for anything? In most cases, it's either fear or greed. And alot of it's to do with self-interest. Maybe part of it is ego. But at the end of the day, who knows? It could be a whole bunch of factors. Now the question is, is the person asking the question, is she the woman who's doing everything right or is she the woman who's fuckin up?

Reem Raw: Right. It's a whole bunch of factors in that shit. Like, you know. A woman doesn't necessarily have to be cheating for a man to cheat. The climate could be very hostile. Like you said it's a lotta lotta different factors. It's not one cut and dry situation. And you're definitely right. You can't have one without the other. Why do women cheat? What are their factors and what are their things? So my take on it pretty much is, let's just say you're a good woman and you get cheated on by a man. The man, the guy, your boyfriend, your husband, whoever it may be... Well I don't want to talk marriage. I don't want to talk husbands because I haven't been married so I don't even really wanna go there. I'ma save that for those experts. But just in a regular relationship. Let's just give some variables. As far as this is from the man's perspective to the women. Boom. A lot of ya'll don't realize that men are typically a lot more unforgiving than women. We really don't forgive as fast, as easy, or as often as women do. We don't forgive and we don't forget. And when you have a man maybe when you get the man. You might not know or maybe he might not even know that he might be already damaged goods. Not damaged beyond repair, but his past will kinda dictate how he reacts to certain situations. And all the women be like "Oh nah, don't let the past, don't bring that past bullshit. Don't be judging me off of what the next chick did to you." But for real for real, that's some real shit. Like you are your experiences. So if something doesn't look right in this situation that you're currently in and it kind of reminds you of a situation that you've been through already in the past, you're gonna feel that pain, you're gonna feel that scar. It's like if you've been burned by a fuckin stove before, and you feel something hot by your hand, you're gonna retract that shit! You know what it feels like to be burned. And vice versa, as far as women too, that could be it too. But honestly women, we be playing that cold-hearted, I-don't-give-a-fuck, non-chalant role, and most of it is our defense mechanism. It's our pride. It's what we use to make sure we're guarded. Like fuck what you talkin about, we gotta make sure we're guarded. So, I say that to say this again, bring it back on subject that men typically, we don't forgive that often. You might have a man who's been through some real bullshit, fucked over by one of these thots or one of these jumpoffs, whatever the fuck you wanna call it, just to call a spade a spade. And he might've been a good dude at first, looking for "all that romance crap" and all that shit. But, he got dicked over. And things happen. You are your experiences. The things you experience shape who you are. And then some dudes might not even know a good woman when they see one. How do you differentiate between things that appear well in the beginning? Cuz my take on it, you don't never know somebody for real for real until ya'll go through some shit. Until ya'll go through some real shit, you never know who they really are. Fuck all the flowers and the cards and candy shit in the beginning. You never know who somebody is until ya'll rock out one time, until ya'll get into it. Until shit get really real and ya'l both are there to face the facts, the other side that everybody tries to suppress in the beginning. Feel me Cameraman? What you think about that?

Cam: I mean, it's like this man. Some people are motivated and they're gonna do what they do outta spite. Some outta greed. Some are motivated by pleasure. Some are motivated by pain. Some people you gotta hurt them maybe, to make em cheat on you. And some people, if they out and about and they see something that look good, they don't have no restraint and they just gonna go for what they can get. So I mean, the only question is "Are you doing what's in your power?" You can't control somebody else's discipline and shit like that. You can't dictate what someone else's level of self-discipline is. But are you making sure you're not doing something to make them step out on you. That's the question. And some women don't like that. They don't like to hear that shit. Like look, some of these dudes is gonna cheat regardless if they're in the right situation. That's just facts. It's part of the way men's egos are set up, SOME men. Like, "If I can get it, I'm gettin it!"

Reem Raw: And that's a good point. Ya'll women have to understand that too at some point. How some guys start off, the origins of it. Amongst your friends, amongst your boys, everything is ego. You wanna be the best football player. You wanna be the best basketball player. You wanna be able to fight the best. You wanna do this, you wanna do that. So, when it comes to women, especially when you're younger, it's about how many can you bag? How many can you pluck? And it feeds the ego because amongst guys, amongst men who wanna be tough, who wanna be hard. Who were raised to be tough, raised to be hard kinda we be ego trippin and shit. That's the conquest. They don't tell you that women have real feelings and really be fucked up behind this shit. That's the flip side that you don't learn when you're younger. Like "I can't wait to go back and tell my niggas." That's how it is. That's the origins of it. Now, when you become a man and you got options. I always tell my homegirls and the girls that I'm friends with "a dude is never gonna stop doing what he wants until he gets it out of his system." That's why I really urge young men, young kings to get that shit out they system when they're young. Yeah, go date, go do what you do, so by the time you're a certain age you don't be chasing something that you should've got out of your system when you were young. This is how you see 50 year old, 45 year old heads in a 20 year old club still chasing something that they should've got out of their system years ago. Bottom line is, a man ain't gonna be ready until he ready. Until he feels like, "aight I'm cool. The attention don't matter, I ain't gotta entertain everything that comes my way. I'm cool and content." A man has to be content with who he's with. It's always gonna be urges, don't get it fucked up. Don't act like a man is not gonna have urges. We're wired that way. If you're attracted to women, we're wired that way. But once we come to a personal peace and you really love your woman, you care about your woman, you're content with your woman, then that's when he's ready. But he's not ready until he's ready. I'm speaking from personal experiences. I done fucked up plenty of times, enough to know to know this to. So I ain't just beatin around the bush or swervin nothin. Personal experience, my friends, my homies, I'm a dude. So ladies, ya'll gettin it from a dudes perspective with no fuckin filter. It is what it is. You know, you gotta be the right kinda woman too. You gotta be a woman that's worth respecting. You gotta be a woman who has morals as well. Not saying that that's gonna get you not cheated on, I'm not saying that. But you are what you attract. Everything is a gamble. Nothing is guaranteed. You might be able to forgive a man for cheating. The man might not be able to forgive you just for simply entertaining a nigga. Just for saying "yeah, you gotta nice smile" or "yeah, I'll take you out to eat", whatever. It's different, we're different. Venus and Mars, we're different. No matter how you wanna slice it, no matter how you wanna shake it up. We are different, we think different, we're wired differently.

Cam: A nigga might cheat on you too, just cause he think you might cheat on him.

Reem Raw: Yo, men are really insecure. On some G shit. Don't let them muthafuckas fool you. I'ma keep it thorough with ya'll. Niggas is insecure. Real shit. Insecure and guarded. And a blow to our pride is... Why you think females be gettin killed behind this shit? Other niggas be getting killed behind this. You ask me, the number one killer of young niggas is other niggas and it be over money, but most of all it probably started over a woman. It's pride, ladies. It's pride... But let's keep it real. Don't be playing with multiple niggas and thinkin shit is sweet. Cuz a dude might go and off you, off your dude, your child. Like you never know who you fuckin with. And vice versa my guys. Women are very emotional as we all know by now. So you might catch the wrong one, stab, poke you up, she got "knife work, gun work, all kinda work!"

Cam: But I always say the equivalent of a woman's emotions and her feelings is a man's ego and his pride. So, as wild as ya'll women know ya'll can get when you feeling some type of way... Imagine a man with that kind of intensity in his emotion mixed with the natural aggression of a man. Now you dealing with some real shit! You dealing with a grizzly bear. And what the fuck you gonna do when he snap and wring ya fuckin neck, shake the shit out you?

Reem Raw: And imagine the emotions a man goes through once ya'll fuck around and do some bullshit. On one hand he's mad, but then he's fightin his self too like "Man, what the fuck am I trippin for? Fuck that!" He's fighting the reason why he's angry, the "Man, I'm not trippin over that bitch." But he really is trippin. So it's a internal thing and sometimes it can fester get up in your chest and shit and fuck you.

Cam: And I always say, men are not emotionally experienced like women. We don't the same range of emotions we got through nor do we get emotional as frequently. It's very rare that men get that kind of emotional where it's actually affecting them. So when it do happen, it's rare and men are taught not to express that shit. So we can't even grieve.

Reem Raw: So, soon as a nigga cry in front of ya'll he a punk ass nigga, he a crybaby, you be tellin your girls.

Cam: We can't get mad too much, we can't make a scene.

Reem Raw: And we're taught that since we're little. "What the fuck you cryin for nigga? Toughen up. Be a man. Blase, blah." This is what we're raised from as kids. So to me it's a good thing and a bad thing.

Cam: And you can't be stable if you always emotional. That's why men supposed to be kinda not cold, but not too emotional because men supposed to be stable. You supposed to let the women be emotional.

Reem Raw: We're supposed to be able to balance out our emotions and then on top of that handle your emotions. We gotta calm you down most of the time, we can't both be in our feelings.

Cam: Niggas can't be in they emotions all the time. It's just not manly. And it's not appropriate. A man gotta be tough, but along with that toughness...

Reem Raw: A man has to be tough, he has to be understanding, he has to put his self in your shoes, he gotta hold you down. And a woman's job isn't easy either. She gotta put up with a lot of shit too. But it's different, and the way we handle things are different. "Aw, he's so cold" or "Aw, he don't give a fuck" or "Aw, he non-chalant."

Cam: Look, anything that's restricted or restrained is gonna have an explosive release. If a man is damming up his feelings or whatever the hell he's thinking, once that shit release, it's a potentially dangerous event. So, women gotta know that shit. And maybe you don't got the man that's gonna smack the shit out you. But, if you fuckin up, he might go cheat on you though. Just to get away from you or wipe the experience of you off. Or forget about you. So that could be one potential cause. Maybe you're not what he considers to be a good woman. And he's kind of replacing yo ass slowly.

Reem Raw: And you gotta know what type of relationship that you're really in. Some of ya'll trying to turn fuck-ships into relationships. Ya'll out here playin for real. Ya'll not really serious. You running around doing your thing. That's cool. What I suggest is, honesty is the best policy. Whatever it is, just be honest about it. Fellas, it's ok to say look you know yeah I really like you, I don't really know what I want to do, I don't really know how I'm feeling about this or that. And women it's ok to be honest too you know. Like, if ya'll just doing your thing, don't place unnecessary or unrealistic expectations upon things that you know is some bullshit. That you know is just for the moment. Or you might as well not even do it. You gotta keep everything in perspective. "Ok I'm just fuckin with shorty. We having fun." Now when feelings get involved whether it's from the man or the woman's side, that 's when it's time to have that conversation before one of ya'll start tripping too much into your feelings. Everything should be out in the open. And even when you do that, somebody still gonna catch feelings. It don't matter. You can say "Yeah, that's just the homie" or "Nah, we just smashing" or "Nah we just doing this. We just doing that." Guaranteed, especially if the shit is good, it ain't gonna be no "Nah, it ain't no feelings, we can keep doing this." Nah, that's a lie. You're lying to yourself, you're lying to the dude. So, let's keep everything in perspective.

Cam: And another thing is, for some people ya'll have to define what's cheating to ya'll. Cuz I'll hear women say a lot you know "Oh he's emotionally cheating. Just because he ain't smashing don't mean nothing. He's emotionally cheating." And some women will say they're forgiving if it's just sex with no feelings. Some women will say I'm more forgiving as longs as he don't love her. So who's definition of cheating are we gonna be talking about here. Like I've had some women who was good friends. I've never considered nothing emotional cheating. But you know, it's just people I vibe with. They cool. They respect me, we get along. You could say we're kindred spirits, we got a lot in common. But to some chicks, that's too much for them. "You can't be hanging out with her like she your homie. Nigga, you don't know what she thinkin, she might be trying to take you." You know...

Reem Raw: Word up, women's intuition is a muthafucka.

Cam: What's up with the emotional cheatin shit?

Reem Raw: The emotional cheatin shit or "You entertaining these bitches" or "You entertaining these niggas." It's real funny. This is a real fickle kinda topic because it's so multifaceted. It's so many angles. It's like a war. It's the battle of the sexes. Who's gonna impose their thoughts or their feelings? Who's gonna put it out there? Who's gonna win that battle? What Meth say? "We can make war or make babies." It is what it is. We can't live without each other regardless.

Cam: I mean, the way I see it, it's like this. It kinda goes back to what you said. I think open and honest communication is the best policy. The only thing after that is, once ya'll discuss what bothers you or what you cool with, the only thing after that is who's gonna respect each other's boundaries or not. Cuz once you bring up the fact that some shit is a problem, now the ball is in they court.

Reem Raw: And I don't want ya'll to get it fucked up ladies because cheating can be helped. I don't want to make it sound like it's excuses or nothing. Some things are valid reasons to the individual but cheating can be helped. Nobody has to cheat. A relationship is always gonna have problems. I don't care if you was married 80 years. A relationship is gonna have its issues, you gonna go through your ups and downs. But cheating, actually having intercourse or something with somebody else does not have to happen. It's wrong period. So I don't wanna get that misconstrued like anybody is slow or stupid. It doesn't have to happen. Unfortunately, it does. But it doesn't have to. And while ya'll doing what ya'll do, if you're in deep... It comes down to a level of respect too. I think that's the basis of it. How much do you respect your lady? I ask myself these questions too. I musta not have really respected her if I did this. Or not have respected myself, I disrespected myself as well. So it comes down to respect like "C'mon, you really gonna do that?" Especially if this is a real chick. If this is like somebody ya'll just doing ya'll, don't lead her on. If it's just something that it can be washed away in two seconds like a gun that's a throwaway, you bust it off a couple times then you toss it. Can't keep it cuz it got mad bodies on it. Then keep it real. It's just a throwaway. But if it's somethin that's worth respecting, you might as well snatch it and keep it because that's a needle in a haystack out here nowadays man.

Cam: And yeah, I think part of it comes down to what's the quality of this person you're with. You know cheating could happen for a variety of factors, but if you fuckin with somebody that don't got integrity, or loyalty, or honesty. Or any of those positive things that would be giving a good impact on any kind of relationship. If this person is just not strong internally or strong in terms of his bonds with other people then that could have nothing to do with you. You could be the woman who's doing everything right. And it may just so happen you just got the wrong person. And you ain't know that until things happened.

Reem Raw: And ladies don't give me that bullshit either. Let me get on ya'll too real quick. I ain't letting ya'll slide neither. Cuz I been through it myself and I seen it with others. Your girl comes in crying. She just been caught. "Aw, it just happened. I didn't mean for this to happen. I don't know what happened. Please forgive me." The fuck outta here! Get the fuck outta here. No, nothing just happens. It don't just happen. I'd rather you just say "Yeah I fucked him cuz I felt like fuckin him. And it is what it is" than you come to me with the sob shit. With the crocodile tears. You running like a faucet on high and shit. I'd rather you just keep it the fuck funky. Don't nothing just happen because I believe ladies that you already know what you gonna do. What you're willing to do. And with us to a certain extent too. But ya'll are more emotionally connected to this shit than we are. We can just fuck and flee. We can F&F. Ya'll, it's a connection there some way some how. A man who says the shit just happened is some bullshit. Niggas shouldn't even be saying shit like that. Keep it funky. Women, ya'll use that line. "It just happened. I don't know what the fuck was going through my head. He was just there and he did this and he did that." No. I know how women are vulnerable though. Especially if they're going through something and they're mad at somebody and dude happens to be there and I guess he's the "shoulder to lean on." Get the fuck outta here. If you smart ladies, you would already see that shit. You should see that shit coming from a mile away.

Cam: To me, that's a cop out. Cuz women are more strategic than men. Women are plotters. Women plan shit. So I'm with you. I think a chick will know well in advance what she bout to get into. I'm not trying to hear that from any woman. Trick please! I having it. You ain't pulling that one on me. I might fall for something, but I ain't falling for that! So nah, ya'll way too strategic and conniving in the way ya'll be moving for me to fall for that. Try it on somebody else.

Reem Raw: Fuck that shit, man.

Cam: It might "just happen" to me, but I ain't believing "it just happened" to you. I've seen ladies that could make my defenses drop. But men is not the same. Men and women is not the same.

Reem Raw: It's not the same. And we're making light of the subject and I know I'm kinda joking around with the shit. But for real for real, man just keep it funky and hold on to something if you got something worth holding on to. First figure out if the shit is worth holding on to, period. You gotta go through something. Skip the "you're my world and my sun" and shit. Go through something first. Test the waters. Test their chin. If it's still worth fuckin with em after that, if you still feel that vibe, that connection after that, then I feel like it's worth keeping. It's a way to argue with somebody without being disrespectful. It's way to get your point across. It's ways to be mad, it's way to be angry without disrespecting them. Once you cross a certain line, then it's like "well, you just another bitch off the street" after that. Or "you just another nigga off the street" after that. So learn to respect your partners. That's a big word I'm using too that I'm trying to get across. Respect. Have a little patience. And recognize that you got something good man.

Cam: That's real. Aight.

Reem Raw: So I'ma get at yall. Let me know what ya'll think. Fuck with ya boy. Next week I'ma have something even iller for ya'll. We gonna experiment with some shit. We gonna play around with this cuz this is getting deep. I'm getting hella requests. I'm digging all of ya'll. I'm trying to get the most poppin requests and talk about it in diverse ways. And I'm trying to get everything poppin man. So I'ma start giving shoutouts and giving the people who requesting the most and give ya'll some light. So hit me up, let me know what ya'll think of this shit. Women, ladies, let me know what ya'll think. I know some of ya'll ain't gonna be feeling me, but it is what it is ya'll still fuck with me. One.